Billy Graham Loves Jesus And Nazis But Hates Gays.

[Ouroboros]

LMFAO ROFL

OMFG. BRB. LOL!

[Legion]

LMFAO ROFL

OMFG. BRB. LOL!

U PEEPS R BFF?

[BrotherJosh]

LMFAO ROFL

OMFG. BRB. LOL!

U PEEPS R BFF?

 

Y U NO WANT 2 B BFFS?

[raoul]

3D, do you play poker online?

I used to have an account at PokerStars, but then the gubmint shut that down.

I do. Semi-professionally although I'm taking a small break. Started on full tilt, still got $$$ tied up over there, moved over to sportsbook,com which is pretty good although slow to pay out.

 

And btw, fuck the man, and fuck eric holder. Online poker is not a crime!

 

Know something? I just figured it out why you started the way you did. You took the TITLE of my video literally didn't you? If so, I apologize because it was hyperbolic humor and that's all!

You have a strange sense of humor my man, but I should have known that from Dougie's thread where I thought what you did was quite clever. Sorry if this got a little personal, I had fun with it though.

 

And yes, Graham is a homophobe, he will be till the day he dies. As for loving the jesus...he thinks he does, but he can't. Nobody can, cause he ain't real. You can love your own personal concept of jesus, but that's about it. That's why, for all his faults, I really feel sorry for him. He's spent his life loving a delusion and devoted his career to it. He probably couldn't turn away from it now even if he wanted to, it would simply be too much to bear.

You're right about feeling sorry for him because, in a perverse way, I am too but for other reasons. He's said recently that he regrets doing as much travelling in the past. Maybe he was thinking about the long periods of separation from the family in order to preach the 'good news' which, if you've heard anything he's preached, is pretty freaking gloomy and doomy - mostly out of the old testament.

 

And then once he said something which I was tempted to tear apart but refrained because I didn't want to be accused of making some kind of gay joke which I wouldn't be doing. He said along with regretting his travelling so much that he would stay more in prayer telling God how much he loved him and how much he adored him. I was gonna say "for a guy so anti gay, that sounds pretty gay to me. I mean one guy telling another guy how much he loves him you know? It sounds..well..you know?" LOL But I didn't do it..you know? LOL

[Guest Valk0010]

Its fairly in the bag, that Graham was an antisemite but to make a big deal of Graham hanging out with the bush's is like someone making a big deal about Obama hanging out with Bill Ayer's on occasion.

 

Are you going to boycott IBM because they made the counters that the Nazi's used at the gas chambers? Its guilt by association.

 

Or how about coca cola, for making fanta, so they could still have access to german markets?

 

Source those two claims, is the movie the corperation, if one wants to know.

[LivingLife]

I once had a book from BG and the preface he mentioned that despite his preaching less than 10% of folk that responded to the alter calls were still professing xians after a year. His latching onto the POTUS as spiritual advisor was IMO just a ploy and climb up the exposure ladder.

 

He is probably just as disillusioned as all the rest of his ilk but will not admit it publicly, after all, young Frank has to fleece teh flock of sheeple to survive as he knows nothing else. For all theses woos, the US according to them has/is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

The reality is that folk are becoming savvy to the lies and deceit and it is getting harder and harder to sell snake oil.

 

The republicans still rally around teh gehy and abortion and once teh gehy haz the marry, they will have nothing to rally the sheeple. RvW has never been challenged by any GOP president, they say they will and then simple don't go there as that is a sure egg-on-face debacle. They know the future of the xian influence will die with the baby boomers.

[blackpudd1n]

My, this thread was fun to read!

[raoul]

I once had a book from BG and the preface he mentioned that despite his preaching less than 10% of folk that responded to the alter calls were still professing xians after a year. His latching onto the POTUS as spiritual advisor was IMO just a ploy and climb up the exposure ladder.

 

He is probably just as disillusioned as all the rest of his ilk but will not admit it publicly, after all, young Frank has to fleece teh flock of sheeple to survive as he knows nothing else. For all theses woos, the US according to them has/is going to hell in a hand basket.

 

The reality is that folk are becoming savvy to the lies and deceit and it is getting harder and harder to sell snake oil.

 

The republicans still rally around teh gehy and abortion and once teh gehy haz the marry, they will have nothing to rally the sheeple. RvW has never been challenged by any GOP president, they say they will and then simple don't go there as that is a sure egg-on-face debacle. They know the future of the xian influence will die with the baby boomers.

I don't find that shocking at all regarding only 10% - after all, many people have the attention span and/or tenacity of a gnat. And don't get me started on Frankie - I mean if you look into one of his ears, you'll see daylight coming through the other one! Lastly - regarding the fleecing, ie: golden coins they get - even the freaking grandson has begun preaching. Nice hunk of change if you can get it I guess.

[raoul]

My, this thread was fun to read!

Well since I was the one who started this mess I think I should be compensated for it. So I would like all of you to send me whatever sacrificial gift is put uponth thy hearteth (shades of religious preaching). Just make out your checks to the 'BillyGrahamisstillapieceofcrap' foundation.... LOL

 

I 'm adding the following: I went back and looked at your avator and attached bio. You're in Australia? If so, is your country as conservative as depicted in our news and press? And is it then as religious as what Americans say there are over here? Just curious.

[Vigile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEMeWcnfRsE

[raoul]

Vigile,

Thanks for the vid- no surprise there. However, when I clicked on to watch it via YouTube, on the right panel were other vids and one of them was the late Chris Hitchens commenting on Graham and others. He actually called Graham 'evil' for what he does and he criticized the way Graham cuddles up to presidents no matter what they're guilty of. Interesting too that Graham hasn't been too cozy with Obama but I'll refrain from calling him a bigot (for now). Anyway, I'm providing you and others with the vid. I really miss Hitchens. For a man claiming to be an atheist, he is one of the more spiritual people at least in the humble way he talks about religion.

 

[Vigile]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

[blackpudd1n]

My, this thread was fun to read!

Well since I was the one who started this mess I think I should be compensated for it. So I would like all of you to send me whatever sacrificial gift is put uponth thy hearteth (shades of religious preaching). Just make out your checks to the 'BillyGrahamisstillapieceofcrap' foundation.... LOL

 

I 'm adding the following: I went back and looked at your avator and attached bio. You're in Australia? If so, is your country as conservative as depicted in our news and press? And is it then as religious as what Americans say there are over here? Just curious.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative"- could you possibly define that?

 

I think generally, Australians are too apathetic to be overly religious. Tolerance and non-discrimination are big principles over here. Of course, humans are humans, and one can't really generalise. It also depends on the area. But we do have quite a separation of church and state, despite it not being a formal principle. We have a female Prime Minister at the moment who is an atheist. One of her top advisors is a lesbian. The leader of The Greens, a senator, is gay. The Leader for the Opposition is catholic. And that's just what I can think of, off the top of my head. With politicians from such diverse backgrounds and views, it's kind of hard to be anything but secular as a happy medium. I mean, there's a local councillor in my area who ran to be a Member of Parliament in the last election and who will probably run again in the next, and he's sikh. I think we're too much of a salad bowl to be overwhelmingly religious in one religion. And it's not such a big deal to be an atheist over here. Or pagan. Or buddhist. Or muslim. Or anything else.

 

One thing that does irk people though, is politicians trying to garner support through churches, particularly the megachurches. The media's pretty harsh on stuff like that. We don't really see a lot of it. I think trying to compare Australia and America is like trying to compare apples and oranges- two very different cultures. From what I can tell, we're definitely not as into our politics as much as Americans are. Might talk about issues for a couple of months before an election and go back to making fun of them the rest of the time.

[raoul]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

Yeah I'm aware of his hawkish stance regarding Iraq and am equally dismayed about it. The only thing I could think of is that his rigid defense of Israel blinded him to the lies of the Iraq invasion and/or the real plight of the Muslim people. Who knows? That's just a guess on my part. But his anti religion stance is right on as far as I'm concerned.

[raoul]

My, this thread was fun to read!

Well since I was the one who started this mess I think I should be compensated for it. So I would like all of you to send me whatever sacrificial gift is put uponth thy hearteth (shades of religious preaching). Just make out your checks to the 'BillyGrahamisstillapieceofcrap' foundation.... LOL

 

I 'm adding the following: I went back and looked at your avator and attached bio. You're in Australia? If so, is your country as conservative as depicted in our news and press? And is it then as religious as what Americans say there are over here? Just curious.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "conservative"- could you possibly define that?

 

I think generally, Australians are too apathetic to be overly religious. Tolerance and non-discrimination are big principles over here. Of course, humans are humans, and one can't really generalise. It also depends on the area. But we do have quite a separation of church and state, despite it not being a formal principle. We have a female Prime Minister at the moment who is an atheist. One of her top advisors is a lesbian. The leader of The Greens, a senator, is gay. The Leader for the Opposition is catholic. And that's just what I can think of, off the top of my head. With politicians from such diverse backgrounds and views, it's kind of hard to be anything but secular as a happy medium. I mean, there's a local councillor in my area who ran to be a Member of Parliament in the last election and who will probably run again in the next, and he's sikh. I think we're too much of a salad bowl to be overwhelmingly religious in one religion. And it's not such a big deal to be an atheist over here. Or pagan. Or buddhist. Or muslim. Or anything else.

 

One thing that does irk people though, is politicians trying to garner support through churches, particularly the megachurches. The media's pretty harsh on stuff like that. We don't really see a lot of it. I think trying to compare Australia and America is like trying to compare apples and oranges- two very different cultures. From what I can tell, we're definitely not as into our politics as much as Americans are. Might talk about issues for a couple of months before an election and go back to making fun of them the rest of the time.

Probably take me a million years to try and define conservatism. I DO know it ain't anything like what is practiced over here by the neocons. Probably more like what was posited by Edmund Burke in the late 1700s to counter what he saw were the excesses of the French revolution.

 

And that is ASTOUNDING what you just said about some of your political leaders! Let me see where my passport is - I'm coming over!!! LOL But from what you described at least politically, your country pretty much lines up with the general behavior of most of the more advanced European countries. It's a shame that my country has fallen back into the dark ages. Oh well.. Thanks for taking the time to write this - I'm gonna share it with my wife later because she had the same opinion as I did about your country. I have no problem changing my opinion since new facts have come up - not like SOME people I know who refuse to concede my points about Graham.. ROFL - just joking about that, had to toss it in to keep this war going for a while. I'm trying to convince the blog owner(s) that I can start any thread on any subject and get at least 3 or 4 million people to respond... LOL

 

gotta add something because I missed your last comments for some reason - regarding what you said about the detached view you folks have regarding politics - that means you're a hell of a lot smarter than us, including me sadly because I've found myself involved way too much in the past regarding it but have now bowed out. I don't even think I'm gonna vote any more because to me Obama has been such a wimp when dealing with the right wing nutjobs over here. Your comments about it also reminded me of that famous saying you may have heard - In Europe the governments FEAR the people. In America the people FEAR the government. That says volumes about the mindset over here versus the rest of the civilized world.

[blackpudd1n]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net.au/products/absurdistan-1

[Vigile]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net....s/absurdistan-1

 

I met this Isreali kid on an airplane a few years ago who recommended this book to me. I wrote the name down inside the cover of another book I was reading and forgot about it until you just brought it up.

[raoul]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net....s/absurdistan-1

Thanks, I'll check it out when I get the chance. While writing that other thing to you I must have been thinking about a fairly big piece of work done by a British person who'd devoted his life, as a correspondant, to the Middle East and its problems. He began his work by talking about the late 1800s, early 1900s and moving through until recently. He wrote about the various things European and then American interests did to the countries over there to screw them over royally. Things like Winston Churchill pushing for the gassing of Arabs to test out chemical warfare or our propping up the Shah of Iran over a real democracy in order to protect business interests. Even the Iraq invasion and show trial/execution of Hussein. Not that he didn't deserve what he got I guess but one of the reasons cited, and this wasn't in any news reports ever, was that Hussein threatened to refuse to take the dollar for oil - he was considering going to the euro if we put any more sanctions in against his country. It all goes back to something I've been screaming about for years - most, if not all wars, are fought for the almighty buck.

 

added comment - I check out the description from the http address you provided - it sounds very similar to what I referenced to you. One thing I forgot to say was that the writer I referred to and, sorry but I can't recall his name, was actually able to interview binLaden twice with the last one being a couple of years before 9/11.

[blackpudd1n]

Probably take me a million years to try and define conservatism. I DO know it ain't anything like what is practiced over here by the neocons. Probably more like what was posited by Edmund Burke in the late 1700s to counter what he saw were the excesses of the French revolution.

 

And that is ASTOUNDING what you just said about some of your political leaders! Let me see where my passport is - I'm coming over!!! LOL But from what you described at least politically, your country pretty much lines up with the general behavior of most of the more advanced European countries. It's a shame that my country has fallen back into the dark ages. Oh well.. Thanks for taking the time to write this - I'm gonna share it with my wife later because she had the same opinion as I did about your country. I have no problem changing my opinion since new facts have come up - not like SOME people I know who refuse to concede my points about Graham.. ROFL - just joking about that, had to toss it in to keep this war going for a while. I'm trying to convince the blog owner(s) that I can start any thread on any subject and get at least 3 or 4 million people to respond... LOL

 

gotta add something because I missed your last comments for some reason - regarding what you said about the detached view you folks have regarding politics - that means you're a hell of a lot smarter than us, including me sadly because I've found myself involved way too much in the past regarding it but have now bowed out. I don't even think I'm gonna vote any more because to me Obama has been such a wimp when dealing with the right wing nutjobs over here. Your comments about it also reminded me of that famous saying you may have heard - In Europe the governments FEAR the people. In America the people FEAR the government. That says volumes about the mindset over here versus the rest of the civilized world.

 

I had to quickly go and look up what Edmund Burke's version of conservative meant. From my understanding, he liked society to remain fairly structured class-wise. That's not really something that applies to Australia. The more money a person makes, the larger a percentage they pay in taxes. Much of those taxes go to supporting a social welfare system which not only acts as a security net, but also helps give people opportunities they wouldn't have otherwise. For instance, with tertiary education, the government will pay for each unit. Four out of eight units (eight units being a full-time study-load) must be passed each year in order for the government to keep paying. The money loaned is interest-free, but repayments begin when the person starts earning something like $47,000 a year. If the person's pay drops below that, the repayments stop, until they start earning at that level again. This helps to prevent a person from getting into trouble should something occur like illness or disability or just unemployment.

 

The government will pay so much for medical services, and it is up to the doctor or specialist to decide whether they will add a "gap fee" on top of that. Some doctors only charge the gap. But you can always find doctors who will bulk bill. Other doctors charge or bulk-bill depending on the person's circumstances. The government even subsidises special employment agencies for people who have disabilities to try and help them find jobs that are a good fit for the person and their capabilities. So in ways like these, people have more opportunities to rise above the circumstances they were born into or found themselves in.

 

Economically speaking, I would class Oz as a free-market economy with regulations. Our banks would have to be among the most heavily regulated in the world. I think it's why Australia weathered the GFC so well. One example, is that if I wanted to trade currency through an Australian company, $10,000 would be the maximum that I could start with. An overseas company I looked into required $10,000 as a minimum to start with. Every transaction over $10,000 is noted and tracked to combat money laundering. Sometimes when I'm bored, I sit and I try to work out how I would launder money. Any which way I look at it, having worked in a bank, lived with a cop and former sniffer-dog, and worked for a freight-forwarder and customs broker, you're fucked. It's just not worth the time and effort.

 

...And I've gotten distracted. I'm going to go back to thinking about money laundering now lol. I always wanted to work with the feds, tracking down money launderers.

[blackpudd1n]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net....s/absurdistan-1

 

I met this Isreali kid on an airplane a few years ago who recommended this book to me. I wrote the name down inside the cover of another book I was reading and forgot about it until you just brought it up.

 

It's not a bad read. What I find interesting is that foreign correspondents often hold very different views to the majority of people.

[Vigile]

 

 

It's not a bad read. What I find interesting is that foreign correspondents often hold very different views to the majority of people.

 

It's kind of hard for me to accept that they have a more accurate viewpoint than say someone who has a PhD in foreign relations though. The government has made sure to round up the correspondents and show them what the government wants them to see. It's not like Vietnam anymore where correspondents are free to go out and do their own investigation. They stay with the troops and they go where the generals tell them and see what the generals want them to see.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_journalism

 

 

At the start of the war in March 2003, as many as 775 reporters and photographers were traveling as embedded journalists.^[1] These reporters signed contracts with the military promising not to report information that could compromise unit position, future missions, classified weapons and information they might find.^[2][3] When asked why the military decided to embed journalists with the troops, Lt. Col. Rick Long of the U.S. Marine Corps replied, "Frankly, our job is to win the war. Part of that is information warfare. So we are going to attempt to dominate the information environment."^[4]

[blackpudd1n]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net....s/absurdistan-1

Thanks, I'll check it out when I get the chance. While writing that other thing to you I must have been thinking about a fairly big piece of work done by a British person who'd devoted his life, as a correspondant, to the Middle East and its problems. He began his work by talking about the late 1800s, early 1900s and moving through until recently. He wrote about the various things European and then American interests did to the countries over there to screw them over royally. Things like Winston Churchill pushing for the gassing of Arabs to test out chemical warfare or our propping up the Shah of Iran over a real democracy in order to protect business interests. Even the Iraq invasion and show trial/execution of Hussein. Not that he didn't deserve what he got I guess but one of the reasons cited, and this wasn't in any news reports ever, was that Hussein threatened to refuse to take the dollar for oil - he was considering going to the euro if we put any more sanctions in against his country. It all goes back to something I've been screaming about for years - most, if not all wars, are fought for the almighty buck.

 

added comment - I check out the description from the http address you provided - it sounds very similar to what I referenced to you. One thing I forgot to say was that the writer I referred to and, sorry but I can't recall his name, was actually able to interview binLaden twice with the last one being a couple of years before 9/11.

 

It's been years since I read the book, so I'm not entirely sure if it's the same guy.

 

As far as the Iraq war being more to do with the sale of oil in US dollars than anything else, I did read a piece on that by a Middle-Eastern macroeconomist whose name escapes me. I remember him saying that an agreement was made in the 1970's to only sell oil in USD with the House of Saud. America would support their power, and they would sell oil only in USD. If oil is only sold in USD, then every country around the world requires huge reserves of USD in order to purchase oil, thus keeping the USD high. The higher the USD remains, the cheaper their loan repayments to other countries are. That's what the piece said. At this point in time, I am unable to corroborate it. But that was it's main argument.

[blackpudd1n]

It's not a bad read. What I find interesting is that foreign correspondents often hold very different views to the majority of people.

 

It's kind of hard for me to accept that they have a more accurate viewpoint than say someone who has a PhD in foreign relations though. The government has made sure to round up the correspondents and show them what the government wants them to see. It's not like Vietnam anymore where correspondents are free to go out and do their own investigation. They stay with the troops and they go where the generals tell them and see what the generals want them to see.

 

http://en.wikipedia....dded_journalism

 

 

At the start of the war in March 2003, as many as 775 reporters and photographers were traveling as embedded journalists.^[1] These reporters signed contracts with the military promising not to report information that could compromise unit position, future missions, classified weapons and information they might find.^[2][3] When asked why the military decided to embed journalists with the troops, Lt. Col. Rick Long of the U.S. Marine Corps replied, "Frankly, our job is to win the war. Part of that is information warfare. So we are going to attempt to dominate the information environment."^[4]

 

I'm aware of the whole embedded journalist thing. But this book was written by an Australian reporter, and we kind of do things a little differently over here. Also, the ABC in Australia, whom this guy was reporting for, is into serious journalism and documentaries- I'm looking forward to one on the women's suffrage movement in Australia on Monday night.

[Vigile]

If oil is only sold in USD, then every country around the world requires huge reserves of USD in order to purchase oil, thus keeping the USD high. The higher the USD remains, the cheaper their loan repayments to other countries are. That's what the piece said. At this point in time, I am unable to corroborate it. But that was it's main argument.

 

This all basically lines up with what I remember from my IR professors.

 

I'm not really sure I understand the dynamics related to why countries like Russia don't switch though as the US doesn't have the leverage to enforce it there. It's probably above my paygrade.

[raoul]

Well, I'm no fan of Graham, but I'm even less of a fan of Hitchens. I'd call evil a guy who used his powers of persuasion to persuade two nations into supporting war in Iraq and the torture that followed.

 

Sorry for the distraction. I really disliked that guy. Carry on.

 

He was a foreign correspondent. Hitchens, that is. Interestingly, I remember reading a book by another foreign correspondent, talking about his travels reporting, and he was talking about Iraqi people supporting the war. I found the book, here: http://shop.abc.net....s/absurdistan-1

 

I met this Isreali kid on an airplane a few years ago who recommended this book to me. I wrote the name down inside the cover of another book I was reading and forgot about it until you just brought it up.

 

It's not a bad read. What I find interesting is that foreign correspondents often hold very different views to the majority of people.

That's because they're usually in the middle of the 'shit' storm overseas...Pardon my french...LOL

And thanks for the other info about the education/medical things your country does for its citizens. One more reason why I gotta find a way to get out of Dodge....